@geez
Besides Antivenin being the proper, scientific term. That’s like saying well used grammar should be tossed aside because it sounds silly sometimes.
If it’s use an animal product or you die, you get to use the animal product. Live vegans do more good than dead ones.
And as a second counterpoint, the production of antivenin/antivenom (both are correct), is nothing like the dairy industry. The only way for a cow to produce milk is for her to be pregnant or to have recently been pregnant. This produces little baby calves. The most damning objection to participation in the dairy industry is the fate of these calves. Most of the females grow up and become dairy cows like their mothers. The males are put in a veal pen, are force fed, not allowed the freedom to move, and are slaughtered at a very young age. Every time you drink a glass of milk or eat some cheese, just remember that it’s ethically equivalent to eating a little veal with every swallow.
“Milking” a snake for venom does not require that the snake be pregnant, nor does it contribute to some weird snakeveal industry. Snake farming ≠ cow farming. Thus, your point is invalid.
Thank you! I just finished explaining to a kid that no matter how much I support what he’s writing, I won’t hit the “Like” button on facebook because the whole thing used “u” “ur” “2″ etc. like they were real words!@Tucker
@Kate
Actually, the cow only has to be pregnant once to start the production of milk. Beyond that, mammals will not stop producing milk so long as they are milked. Meaning, after the initial pregnancy, the cow can be milked for as long as the manufacturer(or farmer, however you want to describe them) continues to milk them on a daily basis.
@kateb
so every time i drink milk or eat cheese i get to think about the deliciousness of veal? it might make me incredibly hungry but i think its worth it.
@KateB
Except you’re still keeping a snake against its will and routinely putting it under distress in order to extract venom. Some venom extractors, when doing it improperly, will press on the venom glands causing them to rupture which, of course, is bad for the snake. Even in the best of circumstances, you’re still imprisoning the animal and effectively pissing it off on a regular basis to get the venom.
Also most zoos that milk the snakes also have breeding programs to produce more snakes. Which technically does require pregnant snakes. I will concede your point about creepy snake-veal though.
Of course this is all done for a specific purpose for saving lives and is therefore necessary. I doubt anyone would fault you for taking antivenom in the wake of a snake bite. I hear death by snake venom is very slow and agonizing.
But just remember, every time you get an antivenom shot, it’s ethically equivalent to popping that poor cobra’s venom gland with every squirt of the syringe. I hope you’re happy.
What good do vegans do? For every person you turn vegan with your propaganda that’s less people eating meat. Let’s say everyone was vegan. Animals would over populate and become diseased, which causes them to suffer and we also suffer in the instance that they have a communicable disease to humans such as rabies (amongst others). Plust veal is yummy. Mmmmmm!
Sure, everytime I drink a delicious glass of milk, I’ll sit and think about how those poor cows are suffering for my selfish requirement of needing to survive.
@KateB
Actually, most dairy cows are kept in a state of hormonal false pregnancy to keep them lactating. There’s certainly questions about what happens when these hormones end up in humans but so far there’s not much evidence of a problem. I’m also not syaing you should like it, just making a point that most vegans don’t know what the hell they’re talking about concerning agriculture, biology, nutrition or chemistry. HA!
I’m never coming back here to check this again, so no need to respond. I’m pretty sure the “mmm veal” type comments are just trying to get a rise out of the reasonable people here, but the world is a really fucked up place and the fact that you can have an attitude like that about veganism, where these people have to literally devote themselves to immunity from your ignorance and make a decision that actually makes sense, just means you’re the same kind of people who helped Hitler make the holocaust happen. You overlook what’s right because it’s convenient for your situation.
Hell, I eat meat too. I’m to weak-willed to be vegan, but I respect the hell out of those people.
@Tucker
isn’t grammar supposed to make a language flow more easily and make more sense? If a word makes no sense to the majority of people, yes, it should be thrown out. Unless you can give me a scientific reason this word is necessary as opposed to anti-venom.
@jojo
wow that person totally just said that anyone who does not agree with the validity of that point love ignorance and are equal to those people who lived next door to a Nazi interment camp. Maybe you should retract that statement and try again. You lost the argument just by relating it to Hitler. Most everything else I applaud.
I eat meat but the justification that it’s right because it’s “tasty”. I’ve heard humans are tasty, why not eat them? It seems our morals stop with one species only…us. I mean a carcass is a carcass…whats the difference between a dog, snake, cow, or human really? I’m sure all could be made quite tasty.
I could see being a vegetarian though, vegan brings in politics that I am not interested in.
@jojo
So what you are saying, is that you respect people with anoreksia, since they have to devote themself to not eating, and exercing extensivly. Thats demands a pretty big ammount of will.
Ummm… ok so your saying that its sick of us to make fun of people because their vegan. Let me ask you this: Vegan’s don’t like products that were harvested from other animals (ie. bees for honey or cows for milk). So instead they have vegtables and plants and stuff. They feel bad for the poor bees and cows, but dont give a shit about all the men and women that enslave over the vegtables that they have to harvest. Much like the 1930′s with the great depression and everything, people are literally working 12 hours a day out in fields picking lettuce and tomatos. So please, don’t come here with the attitude of us calling vegans stupid and vegans being perfectly legitimate. No. Not true (in my opinion).
K thanks bye
PS I was a Vegan until i realized how buying anything has to be processed, which most of the time humans do. Thats why the ONLY things that I eat I grow in my back field.
@anon2
I eat other animals (non human) meat because it’s tasty. Even if human meat was “tasty” as you suggest, you are neglecting the fact that because the proteins in human meat match your own it actually causes proteins in your brain to fold over and in a sense it creates holes in your brain which will make you crazy. This same condition has been found in other animals that have eaten their own kind. You’ll probably remember the big mad cow disease scare and that’s exactly what it was. Cows were fed other cows and they became diseased and crazy. So, that is why it is ok to eat other animals but not humans.
*Vial.
Other than that, this is pretty funny.
snakes are venomous not poisonous, that snake isnt venomous
Isn’t it ‘Antivenom’ not ‘antivenin’?
actually, both are acceptable.
nice!!!!
@What?
Antivenin sounds incredibly stupid.
Stick to anti-venom.
@geez
Besides Antivenin being the proper, scientific term. That’s like saying well used grammar should be tossed aside because it sounds silly sometimes.
…vegan theory 101 people:
If it’s use an animal product or you die, you get to use the animal product. Live vegans do more good than dead ones.
And as a second counterpoint, the production of antivenin/antivenom (both are correct), is nothing like the dairy industry. The only way for a cow to produce milk is for her to be pregnant or to have recently been pregnant. This produces little baby calves. The most damning objection to participation in the dairy industry is the fate of these calves. Most of the females grow up and become dairy cows like their mothers. The males are put in a veal pen, are force fed, not allowed the freedom to move, and are slaughtered at a very young age. Every time you drink a glass of milk or eat some cheese, just remember that it’s ethically equivalent to eating a little veal with every swallow.
“Milking” a snake for venom does not require that the snake be pregnant, nor does it contribute to some weird snakeveal industry. Snake farming ≠ cow farming. Thus, your point is invalid.
@dude
actually, they use antivenin because medicines usually end in -in, like aspirin and penicillin…
Thank you! I just finished explaining to a kid that no matter how much I support what he’s writing, I won’t hit the “Like” button on facebook because the whole thing used “u” “ur” “2″ etc. like they were real words!@Tucker
@Kate
Actually, the cow only has to be pregnant once to start the production of milk. Beyond that, mammals will not stop producing milk so long as they are milked. Meaning, after the initial pregnancy, the cow can be milked for as long as the manufacturer(or farmer, however you want to describe them) continues to milk them on a daily basis.
@KateB
Mmmmm, veal is delicious.
@kateb
so every time i drink milk or eat cheese i get to think about the deliciousness of veal? it might make me incredibly hungry but i think its worth it.
@KateB
Except you’re still keeping a snake against its will and routinely putting it under distress in order to extract venom. Some venom extractors, when doing it improperly, will press on the venom glands causing them to rupture which, of course, is bad for the snake. Even in the best of circumstances, you’re still imprisoning the animal and effectively pissing it off on a regular basis to get the venom.
Also most zoos that milk the snakes also have breeding programs to produce more snakes. Which technically does require pregnant snakes. I will concede your point about creepy snake-veal though.
Of course this is all done for a specific purpose for saving lives and is therefore necessary. I doubt anyone would fault you for taking antivenom in the wake of a snake bite. I hear death by snake venom is very slow and agonizing.
But just remember, every time you get an antivenom shot, it’s ethically equivalent to popping that poor cobra’s venom gland with every squirt of the syringe. I hope you’re happy.
What good do vegans do? For every person you turn vegan with your propaganda that’s less people eating meat. Let’s say everyone was vegan. Animals would over populate and become diseased, which causes them to suffer and we also suffer in the instance that they have a communicable disease to humans such as rabies (amongst others). Plust veal is yummy. Mmmmmm!
@KateB
mmmm veal
@KateB
Sure, everytime I drink a delicious glass of milk, I’ll sit and think about how those poor cows are suffering for my selfish requirement of needing to survive.
@KateB
Actually, most dairy cows are kept in a state of hormonal false pregnancy to keep them lactating. There’s certainly questions about what happens when these hormones end up in humans but so far there’s not much evidence of a problem. I’m also not syaing you should like it, just making a point that most vegans don’t know what the hell they’re talking about concerning agriculture, biology, nutrition or chemistry. HA!
I’m never coming back here to check this again, so no need to respond. I’m pretty sure the “mmm veal” type comments are just trying to get a rise out of the reasonable people here, but the world is a really fucked up place and the fact that you can have an attitude like that about veganism, where these people have to literally devote themselves to immunity from your ignorance and make a decision that actually makes sense, just means you’re the same kind of people who helped Hitler make the holocaust happen. You overlook what’s right because it’s convenient for your situation.
Hell, I eat meat too. I’m to weak-willed to be vegan, but I respect the hell out of those people.
@KateB
im going to counter the veal argument with this one.
veal is fucking tasty.
1. Hating on vegans
2. ?????????????
3. Holocaust
@KateB
Beef is delicious. Your argument is invalid.
@Tucker
isn’t grammar supposed to make a language flow more easily and make more sense? If a word makes no sense to the majority of people, yes, it should be thrown out. Unless you can give me a scientific reason this word is necessary as opposed to anti-venom.
@jojo
wow that person totally just said that anyone who does not agree with the validity of that point love ignorance and are equal to those people who lived next door to a Nazi interment camp. Maybe you should retract that statement and try again. You lost the argument just by relating it to Hitler. Most everything else I applaud.
I love how the dicussion about grammar is just as randy as the discussion about being vegan!
@KateB
MMmmmmm VEAL!
@KateB
You rule. Exactly what I thought when I saw this picture.
How do you know who online is a Vegan?
Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.
@KateB
I wish I could have a dead baby cow with every glass of milk.
@Mike
Humans don’t need cow’s milk to survive.
That said, vegans are fucking annoying.
I eat meat but the justification that it’s right because it’s “tasty”. I’ve heard humans are tasty, why not eat them? It seems our morals stop with one species only…us. I mean a carcass is a carcass…whats the difference between a dog, snake, cow, or human really? I’m sure all could be made quite tasty.
I could see being a vegetarian though, vegan brings in politics that I am not interested in.
@KateB
mm veal, that’ll make the grilled ham egg and cheese sandwich go down with the glass of milk even better!
@jojo
So what you are saying, is that you respect people with anoreksia, since they have to devote themself to not eating, and exercing extensivly. Thats demands a pretty big ammount of will.
So you care more about animals, than the immigrants that pick your vegetables? self righteous wanker
Ummm… ok so your saying that its sick of us to make fun of people because their vegan. Let me ask you this: Vegan’s don’t like products that were harvested from other animals (ie. bees for honey or cows for milk). So instead they have vegtables and plants and stuff. They feel bad for the poor bees and cows, but dont give a shit about all the men and women that enslave over the vegtables that they have to harvest. Much like the 1930′s with the great depression and everything, people are literally working 12 hours a day out in fields picking lettuce and tomatos. So please, don’t come here with the attitude of us calling vegans stupid and vegans being perfectly legitimate. No. Not true (in my opinion).
K thanks bye
PS I was a Vegan until i realized how buying anything has to be processed, which most of the time humans do. Thats why the ONLY things that I eat I grow in my back field.
@T-Shirts
I find your name very appropriate. I can see this being a t-shirt that goes viral!
@anon2
I eat other animals (non human) meat because it’s tasty. Even if human meat was “tasty” as you suggest, you are neglecting the fact that because the proteins in human meat match your own it actually causes proteins in your brain to fold over and in a sense it creates holes in your brain which will make you crazy. This same condition has been found in other animals that have eaten their own kind. You’ll probably remember the big mad cow disease scare and that’s exactly what it was. Cows were fed other cows and they became diseased and crazy. So, that is why it is ok to eat other animals but not humans.